Post: #11

Pfft auto loot, I have quite happily given players an in game command to do that in the past. Dragging stuff one at a time to your bag is just a pain in the ass.
Statbars.. don't hurt anyone, Autotarget... most MMO's have now adays, AFK macroing I have always dealt with in a more imaginative way that most shards, which also makes the game more interesting when you are actually playing.
Light levels is the only thing that ever bugged me but honestly no so much anymore.

So the problem is?...

Post: #12

There is alot more people can do with injection.. I'm not sure how razor competes but i'll give some sort of rundown for injection:

- create unique macros that you can't create ingame
- create unique afk scripts that help to raise your skills
- walk accordingly to escape things afk -- afk hunting, resource gathering etc
- AFK resource gathering in terms of buying / selling from npc's
- Create PVP macros that help to target, time etc
- Allow players to auto loot (really fast)
- Allow players to prioritise any loot, this can be reags, unis anything
- Allow players to more easily exploit script flaws / issues
- Allow players to drop items on a certain level
- Allow for filters on noises, light levels etc

There are more but this is off the top of my head. In terms of Santiago, Mythik, Coldfire etc injection was used by almost everyone. Because of this we had to deal with exploits from all the above with systems:

- Anti afk
- Loot suppressor (limit the loot speed)
- check for items being placed on different levels for house looting etc.

Its stupid to remove the use of such systems as they expand so essentially on the oldschool / new uo clients however they bring their issues.

Post: #13

Injection has always been an issue of admins... it's nothing new

Post: #14

oh lol
what do you do with injection that you can't do with easyuo and razor?
and about stealth, do you know it?

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Post: #15

point is, what is all that stuff really hurting, honestly?

so they can loot pretty much instantly, awesome, dont want my players hating to hunt, and having to sit and drag it one by one doesnt make the game funner or more challenging, its just a fking pain really, you arent more skilled if you can loot faster than the next person, ur just a sad guy who actually spent time he wont get back to increase ur looting speed lol, lets face it the real skill is killing the mobs without dying, or being able to get back to ur body to loot urself right?, theres no injection thats going to help that. resource gathering, again, whats it hurting really? most of the time ppl dont even use macros to gather and are afk really, those who are get to come back and have fun when they have time

really theres nothing on that list that needs to be 'suppressed'. as a shard admin i want all my players to be happy and have fun however they can, some ppl like the challenge of doing it by hand, some enjoy coming back to the pc and having stuff to craft with and skills to use when they have time, as far as afk, really they are on the server, so thats one more player thats showing on ur online list, nothing wrong with that is there?

dont we do all this for the players? so wouldnt we want our players to have fun even if that means they may have to do some gathering afk, or dont wanna get a cramp in their hand (not to mention how damned boring it is) looting stuff? players come to play to get away from the shitty things in life, other ppl in their life being ridiculously strict over the most trivial things being a huge part of that, why on earth would anyone think its a good idea to be strict about such trivial things on a game, especially when they spent all the time to get their shard up and running so ppl could have fun on it?

not to mention its been my experience the more room you give them to breath and enjoy things like the stuff in the list above the less you have to worry about ppl exploiting hacks and holes in ur scripts, instead of players thinking they need to use an exploit and report it, a bigger percentage of your player base will be extremely loyal to the shard looking out for ppl that are actually breaking rules that ruin the game for other players, just seems small minded and ignorant to me to act like the game police over such trivial things that have always made the game funner in the long run, maybe in wrong tho. . . .

Post: #16

Well Said Rattlehead...

Post: #17

RanXerox, I feel like im tring to proof evolution to someone who believes in bible

Just kidding.

I think we both have our reasons to either allow or ban it.
I prefer for shards where it's not allowed and it seems only RunUO can block it. Then again i prefer sphere more so i have to live with this situation

Autoloot: I remember that it was one game moment when you kill some bad ass monster and run for the loot. Then you needed to be fast (also be lucky) to loot the best items first. If you "won" and got some nice items it felt nice. I can also remember it was boring to loot some small loots but it only meant that I was too "rich"

You also mentioned handicap ppl. I think 1 of 1000 ppl might be handicap who play UO. But 50 or more of 1000 ppl don't know how to use 3rd party program or never heard about them.

Post: #18

(07-20-2013 06:35 AM)JeBu Wrote:  I think we both have our reasons to either allow or ban it.
I prefer for shards where it's not allowed

YOU prefer shards where it isnt allowed, and if you were the only one playing on it then that would be completely relevant, however if you plan to admin a shard for other people to play on, then for it to be successful the wants and needs of your player base should out weigh your own, otherwise you will be the only one playing your shard, and if it isnt about the wants and needs of your player base, then i dont see why you should bother in the first place tbh

when i left the UO scene back years ago, i started another project for another game, so far i have had it up and running and have been in the top 3 servers for over 4 years now with 1000+ players on daily, the key to that servers success lies in putting my opinions, wants, and needs to the side, and instead focus on what my player base wants and needs, there are elements in that game that I PREFER, however the majority of my player base does not share my preferences, at the end of the day, its really not about you or your preferences at all, its about them and theirs

i have seen servers from this other game come and go, dozens upon dozens over the years, and they all fail, becus they fail to realize that one key point, they want the server their way, according to how they play, and what they like, however just becus they play a certain way, and like things a certain way, does not mean the majority of the players who play that game do, and therefore they put tons and tons of work into the server (believe me when i say tons, there is no emulator, you have to update the game using ollydbg both server exe and client exe, not easy) and at the end of the week they have 4 players, 4 players whom share their preferences in game play and their opinion on how it should be, and when the server fails, those 4 players go back to playing a server that people actually enjoy playing on, becus even those 4 players would rather put their preferences aside in order to play with a 1000+ online daily server

it may seem like u are trying to preach evolution to a religious man, but both religion and evolution are merely theories, i speak from hands on experience and theory will never beat out reality

just sayin